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− | Dieser Artikel thematisiert das sogenannte '''cleanup project'''. Hierbei werden bei Wikimedia Commons Bilder gelöscht, die als pornografisch erachtet werden. Dabei ist vor allem Wikipedia-Gründer [[Jimbo Wales]] beteiligt, der sich scheinbar mehr und mehr als Diktator aufspielt. Auf Commons ist derzeit der Unmut groß,<ref>[http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump&oldid=38900569#Jimbo_the_vandal Jimbo the vandal] commons.wikimedia.org</ref>
| + | [[Datei:Jimbo Wales @ Wikimania 2009.jpg|thumb|Jimmy Wales]] |
− | dabei macht Jimbo Wales auch vor bekannten Kunstwerken nicht halt
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− | <ref>[http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Art Jimbo Wales#Art] commons.wikimedia.org</ref>
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− | In the beginning ...... [[Wikipedia und das Vulva-Bild]]
| + | Dieser Artikel thematisiert das sogenannte '''cleanup project''' oder den '''Porno-Streit bei Wikipedia'''. Hierbei hat man [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Commons Wikimedia Commons] (einer internationalen, freien Datenbank für Bilder und Musik) Bilder gelöscht, die man als pornografisch erachtet hat. Wikipedia-Gründer [[Jimbo Wales]] löschte zusammen mit einigen Admins |
− | | + | mehr als 400 Fotos, dabei wurde auch vor bekannten Kunstwerken nicht halt gemacht. |
− | == Out of project scope: cleanup project ==
| + | Betroffen waren unter anderem auch Bilder aus der [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Petplay Wikimedia Commons-Kategorie Petplay], in denen nicht einmal reine Nacktheit auftauchte und Bilder von Intim-Piercings und Pornostars. |
− | [[Datei:Wiki-gokkun.png|thumb|restored]]
| + | <ref>[http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Art Jimbo Wales#Art] commons.wikimedia.org</ref> Angeblich habe Jimbo Wales einen unmittelbaren Image-Schaden vom Projekt abwenden wollen. Zensursula saß ihm zwar nicht im Nacken, aber FOX TV (einer US-Entsprechung des Axel-Springer-Konzerns) wollte angeblich eine massive Kampagne starten.<ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/05/07/wikipedia-purges-porn/ Wikipedia purges Porn] Fox TV</ref> Wales wollte demnach der Berichtserstattung zuvorkommen: Anstatt Entscheidungsgewalt in die Hände der Community zu legen, wurden anders als üblich derlei Bilder entgegen der Commons-Regeln und Grundprinzipien des Projektes erst einmal gelöscht und später über die Wiederherstellung diskutiert.<ref>[http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump&oldid=38900569#Jimbo_the_vandal Jimbo the vandal] commons.wikimedia.org</ref> |
− | [[Datei:Franz von Bayros 016.jpg|thumb|zweimal von Jimbo gelöscht:[http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&oldid=38912853#Franz_von_Bayros.3F User talk:Jimbo Wales Franz von Bayros?]]]
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− | Auch das eher harmlose Bild des Models [[Camila Tavares]] wurde unter der Begründung ''(Commons is not an amateur porn site)'' gelöscht:
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− | [[Datei:Camila Tavares making a handbra.jpg|thumb|[[Camila Tavares]] ....''restored: Art, not porn'']]
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− | [[Datei:Félicien Rops - Sainte-Thérèse.PNG|thumb|Die Heilige Therese, dreimal von Jimbo gelöscht]]
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− | [[Datei:Jenna Jameson Dirty Bob.jpg|thumb|Jimbo Wales deleted "File:Jenna Jameson Dirty Bob.jpg" (''Out of project scope: cleanup project'')]]
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− | [[Datei:Ashley Taking a Shower 15.jpg|thumb| ''(Commons is not an amateur porn site)'']]
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− | [[Datei:Two Women in a Bondage Scene, One Tied.png|thumb|''Out of project scope - restored'']]
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− | [[Datei:Anelina Stretching.jpg|thumb|'' (Commons is not an amateur porn site) '']]
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− | [[Datei:Wiki-fisting.png|thumb|Aktueller Stand: 3 : 3 (Jimbo als 3 gerehnet)]]
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− | *http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales
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− | *'''This page is currently semi-protected, and can be edited only by established registered users'''
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− | ::[http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/wikipedia/commons/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=next&oldid=38935852 (Jimbo Wales: Note, I've reset my talk page to move us into the next phase of this discussion.)]
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− | *[http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=Jimbo+Wales&page=&year=2010&month=05&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1 Löschlog von Jimbo Wales]
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− | *[http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Kurier&oldid=74077685 Wikipedia:Kurier: '''Vulva Reloaded + Jimbo''']
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− | *[http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:Kurier#Vulva_Reloaded_.2B_Jimbo Wikipedia:Kurier - '''Diskussion: Vulva Reloaded + Jimbo''']
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− | *[http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administratoren/Notizen#Commons-L.C3.B6schwahn_.28dringend.21.29 Wikipedia:Administratoren/Notizen#Commons-Löschwahn (dringend)]
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− | *[http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redaktion_Sexualit%C3%A4t#Pornografische_Bilder_auf_Commons Wikipedia:Redaktion Sexualität:Pornografische Bilder auf Commons]
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− | *[http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Sexual_content/Deletion_log ''Ein händisch erstelltes Log der gelöschten Dateien gibts hier'']
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− | *[http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=File%3AWiki-fisting.png&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= Wheelwar um File:Wiki-fisting.png] Jimbo gegen zwei Admins
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− | *http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Remove_Founder_flag#For_removal De-Sysop für Jimbo auf commons? oh oh oh, es wird enger für Jimbo
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− | *http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Jimbo_the_vandal reichlich Adminrücktritte
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− | *[http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/QA_Wikimedia_Commons_images_review,_May_2010 Does the Foundation support Jimmy's desire to have materials removed from your projects?]
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− | *[http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benutzer_Diskussion:Ralf_Roletschek&oldid=74097485#Commons_mal_wieder... Spekulationen um Hintergründe], darunter eine Vorlage von FOX News: [http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/04/27/wikipedia-child-porn-larry-sanger-fbi/ Wikipedia Distributing Child Porn, Co-Founder Tells FBI]
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− | *[http://archiv.twoday.net/stories/6327533/ Jimbeau zensiert ... äh ... reinigt Wikimedia Commons von Porno-Fotos und historischen Kunstwerken] archiv.twoday.net
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− | *Aus dem commons-Lösch-Logbuch (unvollständig):
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| + | Auslöser des Cleanup Projects war wahrscheinlich Wikipedia-Mitgründer [[Larry Sanger]], der bereits 2002 im Streit aus der Wikipedia ausgeschieden war. Anfang April zeigte er die Wikimedia Foundation beim [[FBI]] wegen bewusster Verbreitung Kinderpornografie an. |
| + | Demnach waren in der freien Datenbank Pedophilia-Zeichnungen auf dem 19. Jahrundert von Martin van Maele und sogenannte Lolicon Comics enthalten.<ref>[http://www.gulli.com/news/larry-sanger-zeigt-wikimedia-beim-fbi-an-2010-04-10 Larry Sanger zeigt Wikimedia beim FBI an] bei Gulli News</ref> Kurz davor ist bei der deutschsprachigen Wikipedia eine große Diskussionswelle entstanden, als am 21. März 2010 der Artikel über das weibliche Geschlechtsteil, die Vulva, zum Artikel des Tages ausgewählt und schließlich auf der Startseite auszugweise zitiert und mit einem explizitem Bild illustriert wurde, siehe [[Wikipedia und das Vulva-Bild]]. |
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− | *15:27, 7 May 2010 Bidgee (talk | contribs) deleted "File:Sex Club (SL).jpg" (Out of project scope: cleanup project)
| + | Die Empörung über den ''[[Godking]]'' wuchs von Stunde zu Stunde - selbst in pornofernen Kreisen. Aktuell läuft ein Antrag auf Meta Commons, Jimbo Wales das [[Founder Flag]] zu entziehen. Über 300 internationale Wikipedianer wollen ihn derzeit nicht mehr als Leithengst auf Commons haben und gaben in einer entsprechenden Petition ihre Stimme dazu ab.<ref>[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_comment/Remove_Founder_flag Remove Founder Flag] - Abstimmung bei Wikimedia</ref>Viele Benutzer werfen Wales vor, seine Machtstellung missbraucht zu haben. Das Founder Flag (umgangssprachlich auch Godmode genannt) wird zudem häufig als undemokratisch angesehen. Nur ca. 1/3 stimmten bisher für Jimbo, weil dies anscheinend der eigenen Karriere bei Wikipedia nicht mehr förderlich erscheint. Zur Zeit gibt es Diskussionen, wie viel Nacktheit und Sexualität die Datenbank tatsächlich brauche. Unter anderem gibt es bei Wikimedia Commons mehrere hunderte Penisbilder. |
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| + | In der Nacht zum 9. Mai hat Jimbo freiwillig auf einige Privilegien und Sonderrechte verzichtet und abgegeben. Auf welche Rechte er verzichtet hat, kann [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Special:GlobalUsers/founder hier] nachgesehen werden. Viele der gelöschten Bilder hat man inzwischen wiederhergestellt. |
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| + | == Gelöschte Bilder (Auswahl) == |
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| + | Datei:Wiki-gokkun.png|[[Gokkun]] (restored) |
| + | Datei:Franz von Bayros 016.jpg|Zweimal von Jimbo gelöscht: [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&oldid=38912853#Franz_von_Bayros.3F User talk Jimbo Wales: Franz von Bayros?] |
| + | Datei:Camila Tavares making a handbra.jpg|[[Camila Tavares]] ....restored: ''Art, not porn'' |
| + | Datei:Félicien Rops - Sainte-Thérèse.PNG|Die [[Heilige Therese]], dreimal von Jimbo gelöscht |
| + | Datei:Jenna Jameson Dirty Bob.jpg|Jimbo Wales deleted "File:Jenna Jameson Dirty Bob.jpg" (''Out of project scope: cleanup project'') |
| + | Datei:Kaalos g locked-in.jpg|''(Out of project scope)'' (restored) |
| + | Datei:Ashley Taking a Shower 15.jpg|''(Commons is not an amateur porn site)'' |
| + | Datei:Two Women in a Bondage Scene, One Tied.png|''Out of project scope - restored'' |
| + | Datei:Anelina Stretching.jpg|''(Commons is not an amateur porn site)'' |
| + | Datei:Wiki-fisting.png|Aktueller Stand: 3:3 (Jimbo als 3 gerechnet)] |
| + | Datei:Naked male back in front of a door.jpg|„File:G0001.jpg“ gelöscht (''Commons is not an amateur porn site'') |
| + | Datei:Silvana Suárez 5.jpg|[[Silvana Suárez]] im [[Playboy]] (1985), ebenfalls vorübergehend gelöscht |
| + | Datei:Angelina Ash 4.jpg|[[Angelina Ash]] mit [[Sahne]] beschmaddert |
| + | </gallery> |
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| + | == Out of project scope: cleanup project == |
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| + | === de.Wikipedia === |
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| + | *[http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Kurier&oldid=74269212 - '''Vulva Reloaded + Jimbo'''] |
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| + | *[http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_Diskussion:Kurier&oldid=74384586#Vulva_Reloaded_.2B_Jimbo '''Diskussion: Vulva Reloaded + Jimbo'''] de.wikipedia.org |
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− | *12:40, 7 May 2010 Jimbo Wales (talk | contribs) deleted "File:Nena Masturbacion Dildo.jpg" ? (Out of project scope: cleanup project)
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− | *12:39, 7 May 2010 Jimbo Wales (talk | contribs) deleted "File:Nena Masturbacion con Dildo.jpg" ? (Out of project scope: cleanup project) | + | *[http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales User talk:Jimbo Wales] (verschiedene Versionen ab 6. Mai, 00:42 UTC) |
− | *12:39, 7 May 2010 Jimbo Wales (talk | contribs) deleted "File:Dildo nena.jpg" ? (Out of project scope: cleanup project)
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− | *11:31, 7 May 2010 Lar (talk | contribs) deleted "File:Ashley Taking a Shower 07.jpg" ? (Out of project scope: Commons is not your pornsite, not needed to have an entire series of similar pics) | + | *[http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=Jimbo+Wales&page=&year=2010&month=05&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1 Löschlog von Jimbo Wales] |
− | *11:30, 7 May 2010 Lar (talk | contribs) deleted "File:Ashley Taking a Shower 10.jpg" ? (Out of project scope: Commons is not your pornsite, not needed to have an entire series of similar pics)
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| + | *[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Remove_Founder_flag#For_removal - For removal: De-Sysop für Jimbo] bei meta.wikimedia.org |
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− | *http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Wikiproject:Erotica/image_level_demo/Gallery&action=history | + | *[http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump&oldid=39321453#Jimbo_the_vandal Jimbo the vandal: Reichlich Adminrücktritte] commons.wikimedia.org |
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− | *http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Removing_images_actually_in_use_is_sad.E2.80.A6 | + | *[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Petition_to_Jimbo Wikimedia: Petition to Jimbo] |
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| + | == Siehe auch == |
| + | * [[Jimbo Wales räumt auf]] |
| + | * [[Founder Flag]] |
| + | * [[Brittany Suza]] |
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− | *[http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Removing_images_actually_in_use_is_sad.E2.80.A6 Jimbo Wales, der Kunstkritiker auf den zweiten Blick (voher war allerdings schon der Delinker durch 18 Artikel durchgefräst)] [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=%C3%89douard-Henri_Avril&diff=next&oldid=36224623] | + | == Cleanup Project in den Medien == |
− | | + | *[http://archiv.twoday.net/stories/6327533/ Jimbeau zensiert ... äh ... reinigt Wikimedia Commons von Porno-Fotos und historischen Kunstwerken] archiv.twoday.net |
− | | + | *[http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Porno-Streit-in-Wikipedia-eskaliert-996322.html Porno-Streit in Wikipedia eskaliert, 09.05.2010 16:25] heise.de |
− | | + | *[http://www.bild.de/BILD/digital/internet/2010/05/10/porno-streit-bei-wikipedia/gruender-jimmy-wales-loescht-eigenmaechtig-erotische-fotos-community-ist-wuetend.html Chef löschte fragwürdige Fotos: Porno-Streit bei Wikipedia entbrannt] Bild.de |
− | 12:44, 7 May 2010 Jimbo Wales (talk | contribs) deleted "File:Franz von Bayros 016.jpg" ? (Out of project scope: cleanup project)
| + | *[http://www.chip.de/news/Wikipedia-Zensurvorwurf-und-Porno-Streit_42852927.html Wikipedia: Zensurvorwurf und Porno-Streit] Chip.de |
− | | + | *[http://www.focus.de/digital/internet/wikipedia-porno-diskussion-in-der-online-enzyklopaedie_aid_506853.html Porno-Diskussion in der Online-Enzyklopädie] Focus.de |
− | 12:40, 7 May 2010 Jimbo Wales (talk | contribs) deleted "File:Félicien Rops - Sainte-Thérèse.png" ? (Out of project scope: cleanup project)
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− | == [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=38887323&oldid=38887106#Franz_von_Bayros.3F Franz von Bayros]? ==
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− | Another one to reconsider: [[:File:Franz von Bayros 016.jpg]]. Doesn't seem to be prohibited by the evolving [[COM:SEX]]. See also my comment [[#What about art and historic material|above]]. [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 14:06, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
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− | :Perfect example of why deletion without thought is not a bright idea. Some stuff is junk - some isn't - not a good example to set. Consider this comment applicable to the next heading too. --[[User:Herbythyme|<font color="green">Herby</font>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 14:35, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
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− | ::Actually, Herby, it isn't necessary to insult me in order to disagree with me. I deleted this with thought, and I'm going to leave it deleted for now because this one - and the next one - are pornography. Really old pornography? Yes. But they are still pornography. I think it possible - with some justification - for this to have some historic significance - does it? Just being old doesn't make something of historic significance. But our default for pornography should be to delete it.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] ([[User talk:Jimbo Wales#top|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 14:40, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
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− | :::I actually refrained from insulting you - I said nothing I would not have said to any other admin here. I've said what I feel - the speedy deletion of this kind of stuff is not a bright idea (in my opinion). I've deleted a stack of junk in my time as admin on various projects. I'm sure others will make any cases necessary - there is no point in me saying or doing anything else - I'll leave it at that. --[[User:Herbythyme|<font color="green">Herby</font>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 14:46, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
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− | ::::I apologize, then. I took "deletion without thought" in the wrong way. I regret mentioning it now. I am sorry.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] ([[User talk:Jimbo Wales#top|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 14:56, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
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− | :::Well, I'll have to disagree on this. Evidently it's part of a larger series by an artist who is known best for his erotic drawings. While he's not exactly super-famous, he isn't an unknown either. (Maybe look at the German article.) In my understanding, the educational mission of the Commons encompasses documenting an artist's works as completely as we can.
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− | :::By modern standards (well, at least by those of the society ''I'' live in, apparently not by yours) it's completely harmless. By what standards do you call this drawing "pornography" instead of "erotic art"? (This is a serious question. [[COM:SEX]] should probably provide some guidance about this distinction, more than the bare 2256 criteria give, and the article [[:en:Miller test]] isn't exactly helpful for that either.) | |
− | :::Otherwise, let's at least be consistent and indeed delete the whole category, put him on a "Commons index" such that future uploads of that material can also be deleted, and then go on and clean [[:Category:Shunga]].
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− | :::The same goes for (roughly) for Félicien Rops. [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 15:03, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
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− | ::::I also object to this deletion. If we are going this way, i'm not sure if I can support the foundation..... [[User:TheDJ|TheDJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 15:11, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
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− | Can I just point out the irony of Liam Wyatt working with the museums and recently posting this image on his blog: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25730976@N06/4525101278/in/pool-mw2010 ? [[User:TheDJ|TheDJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 15:16, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
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− | :::::Well after the cleanup project is complete, we can have a longer discussion in the fullness of time about such questions. I would like to get specific guidance from the board, for example, on where they want us to draw the line, but that kind of guidance takes some time - it's a longer discussion with a lot of different stakeholders to consider, including readers, especially readers in very conservative jurisdictions, children and schools. I think a perfectly legitimate position for us to take is that we don't have visual depictions of explicit sexual activity here. I think it's a perfectly fine thing to have people collecting classic pornography - on their own servers, separate from Wikimedia completely.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] ([[User talk:Jimbo Wales#top|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 15:17, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
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− | :::::I just wanted to add here that historical works are not my primary concern, and if I continue doing deletions personally in the next couple of days, I will avoid doing anything with historical-looking images. It's a secondary issue.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] ([[User talk:Jimbo Wales#top|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 15:19, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
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− | ::::::I wish you would refrain from performing contestable deletions (I am not talking about clear cases) until the new guidance has been discussed. This includes historic paintings and non-historic graphics. --[[User:Leyo|Leyo]] 15:28, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
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− | Quelle: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=38887323&oldid=38887106#Franz_von_Bayros.3F
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− | *08:43, 8. Mai 2010 AFBorchert (Diskussion | Beiträge) sperrte „Stillwaterising (Diskussion | Beiträge)“ für den Zeitraum: 1 Tag (Erstellung von Benutzerkonten gesperrt, Autoblock deaktiviert) ? (Intimidating behaviour/harassment: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Stillwaterising&diff=prev&oldid=38925459 and previous edit on Roux's talk page) | |
− | *08:41, 8. Mai 2010 AFBorchert (Diskussion | Beiträge) sperrte „Roux (Diskussion | Beiträge)“ für den Zeitraum: 1 Tag (Erstellung von Benutzerkonten gesperrt, Autoblock deaktiviert) ? (Intimidating behaviour/harassment: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Stillwaterising&curid=8170233&diff=38925795&oldid=38925459&rcid=40130873)
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− | *01:00, 8. Mai 2010 Mitchazenia (Diskussion | Beiträge) hob die Sperre von „#36708“ auf ? (per Talk:Ottava Rima)
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− | *00:48, 8. Mai 2010 Mitchazenia (Diskussion | Beiträge) hob die Sperre von „Ottava Rima (Diskussion | Beiträge)“ auf ? (Per facts that block was not called for, and Ottava has chosen to recuse)
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− | *00:36, 8. Mai 2010 Mitchazenia (Diskussion | Beiträge) änderte die Sperre für „Ottava Rima (Diskussion | Beiträge)“ für den Zeitraum: 2010-06-07T22:02:08Z (Erstellung von Benutzerkonten gesperrt) ? (Intimidating behaviour/harassment: Placing personal attacks, saying people will get blocked if they ask for undeletion and other troll stuff. We don't have the time for trolls on Commons)
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− | *22:02, 7. Mai 2010 Abigor (Diskussion | Beiträge) sperrte „Ottava Rima (Diskussion | Beiträge)“ für den Zeitraum: 1 Monat (Erstellung von Benutzerkonten gesperrt, darf eigene Diskussionsseite nicht bearbeiten) ? (Intimidating behaviour/harassment: Placing personal attacks, saying people will get blocked if they ask for undeletion and other troll stuff. We don't have the time for trolls on Commons)
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− | *18:39, 7. Mai 2010 Killiondude (Diskussion | Beiträge) sperrte „Adam Cuerden (Diskussion | Beiträge)“ für den Zeitraum: 1 Tag (Erstellung von Benutzerkonten gesperrt) ? (Vandalizing; general disruption)
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− | *13:20, 7. Mai 2010 KTo288 (Diskussion | Beiträge) sperrte „KTo288 (Diskussion | Beiträge)“ für den Zeitraum: 3 Tage (Erstellung von Benutzerkonten gesperrt, E-Mail-Versand gesperrt, darf eigene Diskussionsseite nicht bearbeiten) ? ('''Block myself to stop myself from doing something stupid and blocking Jimbo and his coterie for trolling''')
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− | *09:51, 7. Mai 2010 Tryphon (Diskussion | Beiträge) hob die Sperre von „Pieter Kuiper (Diskussion | Beiträge)“ auf ? (indef block without concertation with other admins is not appropriate)
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− | *22:55, 6. Mai 2010 MBisanz (Diskussion | Beiträge) sperrte „Pieter Kuiper (Diskussion | Beiträge)“ für den Zeitraum: Unbeschränkt (Erstellung von Benutzerkonten gesperrt) ? (disruption) | |
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